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		<title>By: Tamara Suttle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tamara Suttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 17:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Renee!  I&#039;m so very sorry that this is happening . . . to you &lt;em&gt;and to a lot of other therapists, too.&lt;/em&gt;  No, you do not have to resign from all insurance panels before you start accepting cash payments from some of your clients.  However, cannot accept cash payments from your clients when you are currently under contract with their insurance companies &lt;em&gt;and have agreed to do otherwise&lt;/em&gt;.  Here&#039;s a few things you need to consider . . . . 

Most insurance companies require you to terminate your contract with them in writing.  Some require as much as &lt;em&gt;6 months notice &lt;/em&gt;in writing.  It is critical that you read the fine print in your contracts and abide by them. They will stipulate how you go about terminating your professional relationship with them.  Should you wish to do otherwise, you will need to seek the advice of an attorney.  

Many therapists who have been insurance-dependent for a while find it easiest to wean themselves off insurance money slowly.  I suggest that you begin to terminate contracts based on their reimbursement rates - starting with the lowest and filling those time slots with cash-paying clients.  As your income mix stabilizes, you can then terminate with additional companies.  

If you have been relying on insurance companies for a significant amount of referrals, you may need to change the way that you market your practice.  Hopefully, you are finding lots of info right here to help you attract new cash-paying clients.  However, there are also other websites - both therapist and non-therapist focused sites - that can help you grow a strong and vibrant, insurance-free private practice.  

If there is anything I can do, Renee, to support you in that transition, I hope you&#039;ll let me know!  Leaving managed care behind was the best and most important decision I have made to grow my private practice and build my confidence as a provider!  Best wishes to you on your journey!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Renee!  I&#8217;m so very sorry that this is happening . . . to you <em>and to a lot of other therapists, too.</em>  No, you do not have to resign from all insurance panels before you start accepting cash payments from some of your clients.  However, cannot accept cash payments from your clients when you are currently under contract with their insurance companies <em>and have agreed to do otherwise</em>.  Here&#8217;s a few things you need to consider . . . . </p>
<p>Most insurance companies require you to terminate your contract with them in writing.  Some require as much as <em>6 months notice </em>in writing.  It is critical that you read the fine print in your contracts and abide by them. They will stipulate how you go about terminating your professional relationship with them.  Should you wish to do otherwise, you will need to seek the advice of an attorney.  </p>
<p>Many therapists who have been insurance-dependent for a while find it easiest to wean themselves off insurance money slowly.  I suggest that you begin to terminate contracts based on their reimbursement rates &#8211; starting with the lowest and filling those time slots with cash-paying clients.  As your income mix stabilizes, you can then terminate with additional companies.  </p>
<p>If you have been relying on insurance companies for a significant amount of referrals, you may need to change the way that you market your practice.  Hopefully, you are finding lots of info right here to help you attract new cash-paying clients.  However, there are also other websites &#8211; both therapist and non-therapist focused sites &#8211; that can help you grow a strong and vibrant, insurance-free private practice.  </p>
<p>If there is anything I can do, Renee, to support you in that transition, I hope you&#8217;ll let me know!  Leaving managed care behind was the best and most important decision I have made to grow my private practice and build my confidence as a provider!  Best wishes to you on your journey!</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 15:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a contracted insurance provider for 10 years. One of my biggest insurance providers just reduced my reimbursement rates (again). I want to transition to private pay only because I am tired of insurance companies continually de-valuing my services. Do I have to drop from all the insurance panels so that I can charge clients privately who want to continue seeing me even though they have insurance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a contracted insurance provider for 10 years. One of my biggest insurance providers just reduced my reimbursement rates (again). I want to transition to private pay only because I am tired of insurance companies continually de-valuing my services. Do I have to drop from all the insurance panels so that I can charge clients privately who want to continue seeing me even though they have insurance?</p>
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		<title>By: Tamara Suttle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tamara Suttle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Linda, for dropping in to chat! 

I&#039;m not an attorney so I am not willing to provide legal advice.   Having said that, I can say that what I have been told year after year is that it is unethical and it is illegal to charge clients without insurance one fee and to charge clients with insurance a different fee.  I believe it is appropriate to have a written policy on fees that may afford a price break for those clients in financial need.  The trick is to define &quot;financial need&quot; and &quot;ability to pay&quot; uniformly across all clients - whether they are paying with insurance or not.  To do otherwise, is likely to fall under the category of &quot;insurance fraud.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Linda, for dropping in to chat! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an attorney so I am not willing to provide legal advice.   Having said that, I can say that what I have been told year after year is that it is unethical and it is illegal to charge clients without insurance one fee and to charge clients with insurance a different fee.  I believe it is appropriate to have a written policy on fees that may afford a price break for those clients in financial need.  The trick is to define &#8220;financial need&#8221; and &#8220;ability to pay&#8221; uniformly across all clients &#8211; whether they are paying with insurance or not.  To do otherwise, is likely to fall under the category of &#8220;insurance fraud.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 04:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Website. I have a question about this topic of different fees for different clients (ie insurance vs cash paying clients). Wouldn&#039;t use of a sliding scale then be considered illegal if you are billing insurance one amount but reducing the fee for other cash paying clients?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Website. I have a question about this topic of different fees for different clients (ie insurance vs cash paying clients). Wouldn&#8217;t use of a sliding scale then be considered illegal if you are billing insurance one amount but reducing the fee for other cash paying clients?</p>
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		<title>By: Tamara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tamara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 22:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Yolanda!  Welcome to Private Practice from the Inside Out!  You bring up a couple of thoughts for me . . . . One is too long to write here so I really need to write up a blog post on it concerning websites.  But the other thought that occurs to me is that setting your fees too low can be just as off-putting to potential clients as setting your fees too high.  So, the first thing to consider is . . . &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.allthingsprivatepractice.com/know-your-worth/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How did you decide what fee to charge?&lt;/a&gt;  Trying to undercut the other therapist may just be making her appear to &quot;The Good Therapist&quot; and setting you up to be &quot;Second Best Therapist.&quot;  I&#039;m sure that&#039;s not what you were trying to do but that is often the result of charging too little.  

It&#039;s also important to recognize that you may not be getting clients for other reasons . . . . Here&#039;s some questions for you to consider before you even start adjusting your fees.  Are potential clients actually finding you?  If so, how?  Once they find you, are they getting the information that they want?  Are they booking appointments?  Are they showing up for their appointments?  Are they returning for follow up appointments?

See what I&#039;m doing here, Yolanda?  I&#039;m following the path of your typical client.  It&#039;s critical that we identify where you are losing them - assuming they found you in the beginning.  Once you know where you are losing them, it&#039;s relatively simple to fix that &quot;leak&quot; and get those clients in the office.  Most social workers didn&#039;t get the business training they need to build a strong private practice.  Let me know if you need additional information but, whatever you do, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.allthingsprivatepractice.com/dont-quit-before-the-miracle/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;don&#039;t throw in the towel too soon&lt;/a&gt;.  

And, stay tuned for more info that may help you with your website, too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Yolanda!  Welcome to Private Practice from the Inside Out!  You bring up a couple of thoughts for me . . . . One is too long to write here so I really need to write up a blog post on it concerning websites.  But the other thought that occurs to me is that setting your fees too low can be just as off-putting to potential clients as setting your fees too high.  So, the first thing to consider is . . . <a href="http://www.allthingsprivatepractice.com/know-your-worth/" rel="nofollow">How did you decide what fee to charge?</a>  Trying to undercut the other therapist may just be making her appear to &#8220;The Good Therapist&#8221; and setting you up to be &#8220;Second Best Therapist.&#8221;  I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s not what you were trying to do but that is often the result of charging too little.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also important to recognize that you may not be getting clients for other reasons . . . . Here&#8217;s some questions for you to consider before you even start adjusting your fees.  Are potential clients actually finding you?  If so, how?  Once they find you, are they getting the information that they want?  Are they booking appointments?  Are they showing up for their appointments?  Are they returning for follow up appointments?</p>
<p>See what I&#8217;m doing here, Yolanda?  I&#8217;m following the path of your typical client.  It&#8217;s critical that we identify where you are losing them &#8211; assuming they found you in the beginning.  Once you know where you are losing them, it&#8217;s relatively simple to fix that &#8220;leak&#8221; and get those clients in the office.  Most social workers didn&#8217;t get the business training they need to build a strong private practice.  Let me know if you need additional information but, whatever you do, <a href="http://www.allthingsprivatepractice.com/dont-quit-before-the-miracle/" rel="nofollow">don&#8217;t throw in the towel too soon</a>.  </p>
<p>And, stay tuned for more info that may help you with your website, too!</p>
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		<title>By: Yolanda</title>
		<link>http://www.allthingsprivatepractice.com/setting-different-fees-for-different-clients/comment-page-1/#comment-14310</link>
		<dc:creator>Yolanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 23:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question is this I have a Provisional Licence Clinical Social Work this  allow me to see clients, my problem is i am having difficult getting clients despite the fact that my rate is very low compare to the other therapist so i am  having second thoughts about during this private practice . despite the fact that this is what I would love to do. any suggestion .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question is this I have a Provisional Licence Clinical Social Work this  allow me to see clients, my problem is i am having difficult getting clients despite the fact that my rate is very low compare to the other therapist so i am  having second thoughts about during this private practice . despite the fact that this is what I would love to do. any suggestion .</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 18:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will be starting a postdoc position at a group psychology practice.  I will be meeting with my future supervisor soon to finalize the details of my contract, which will last for one year.  What contract negotiation information can you offer me? I know that I want to highlight my neuropsychological testing experience. I&#039;m currently completing my pre-doctoral internship.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be starting a postdoc position at a group psychology practice.  I will be meeting with my future supervisor soon to finalize the details of my contract, which will last for one year.  What contract negotiation information can you offer me? I know that I want to highlight my neuropsychological testing experience. I&#8217;m currently completing my pre-doctoral internship.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tamara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Brenda!  It&#039;s good to hear from you and I&#039;m glad you dropped back in to ask for clarification.  No, if I am understanding your situation, what you are doing is illegal.  A mental health professional cannot charge cash paying clients one fee and insurance-paying clients a different fee.  You need to rectify this immediately by charging both these groups the same fee for the same service.  

If $115 is the usual and customary fee in your area, then you should charge that for everyone.  And, if you have contracted with managed care for a discounted rate for reimbursement, then you know you will only get paid a fraction of that UCR.  But that doesn&#039;t mean you charge less; it just means that you have agreed to accept less.  

In fact, I want to suggest that you contact a mental health attorney in your state to ask you how to best go about correcting this practice so that you don&#039;t get into trouble with the insurance companies or your clients down the road.  Paying for 15 minutes of good advice over the phone is a good investment in your own risk management.  If you do speak with an attorney, I hope you&#039;ll drop back in here to tell us what you learn and which attorney you used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Brenda!  It&#8217;s good to hear from you and I&#8217;m glad you dropped back in to ask for clarification.  No, if I am understanding your situation, what you are doing is illegal.  A mental health professional cannot charge cash paying clients one fee and insurance-paying clients a different fee.  You need to rectify this immediately by charging both these groups the same fee for the same service.  </p>
<p>If $115 is the usual and customary fee in your area, then you should charge that for everyone.  And, if you have contracted with managed care for a discounted rate for reimbursement, then you know you will only get paid a fraction of that UCR.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean you charge less; it just means that you have agreed to accept less.  </p>
<p>In fact, I want to suggest that you contact a mental health attorney in your state to ask you how to best go about correcting this practice so that you don&#8217;t get into trouble with the insurance companies or your clients down the road.  Paying for 15 minutes of good advice over the phone is a good investment in your own risk management.  If you do speak with an attorney, I hope you&#8217;ll drop back in here to tell us what you learn and which attorney you used.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

I was a little confused on the above comment. I charge $115 and ins. companies usually allow between $53-$65. I charge my cash paying clients $65. Is that appropriate? I didn&#039;t think it was fair to charge out of pocket clients $115 and the insurance company doesn&#039;t pay $115.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I was a little confused on the above comment. I charge $115 and ins. companies usually allow between $53-$65. I charge my cash paying clients $65. Is that appropriate? I didn&#8217;t think it was fair to charge out of pocket clients $115 and the insurance company doesn&#8217;t pay $115.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tamara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 01:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Paul!  Thanks for dropping in and sharing your comments here!  So you don&#039;t ask for any &quot;proof&quot; of income and that seems to work well for you.  How do you decide where people fall on your sliding scale?  Do you have some type of formal matrix or how does that work for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Paul!  Thanks for dropping in and sharing your comments here!  So you don&#8217;t ask for any &#8220;proof&#8221; of income and that seems to work well for you.  How do you decide where people fall on your sliding scale?  Do you have some type of formal matrix or how does that work for you?</p>
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